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#106672 - 03/29/06 03:43 PM Motivation or lack there of...
Anonymous
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Okay here is the deal. The winterline I’m in did really well last year (we won states and got moved up a class), and we had a good feeling about this year seeing as how last year went. However, this year there is no motivation, a good portion of the line either expects us to get everything handed to us like it was last year or that we just aren’t going to do well. Now I really don’t have room to try and order the line around because I’m not a section leader, but I was wondering if there is anything you guys suggest doing so that we can become motivated and have a few productive practices before states this weekend and worlds shortly after that.

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#106673 - 03/30/06 08:08 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: ]
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Registered: 12/18/04
give them the old what separates the good line from a bad line speech ( a good line practices a part until they get it right...a great line practices a part until they cannot get it wrong.)
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#106674 - 03/31/06 09:38 AM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: D_Unit]
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Registered: 12/11/05
Loc: Texas
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give them the old what separates the good line from a bad line speech ( a good line practices a part until they get it right...a great line practices a part until they cannot get it wrong.)




Very good point, although I have never though of it that way.
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#106675 - 03/31/06 05:45 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: MhsSenior]
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we've had speeches like that. so i'm not sure if it will work, because what people, alumni, staff, people in the line, have said before hasn't really gotten into their heads.

it seems to me as if they just dont care if we have a good season and then when we dont have a good season they complain. thats whats mostly getting to me and a ton of other people. i dont quite know how to motivate them, well mostly my section to want to have a great end to the season.


Edited by Marimbaxxchick (03/31/06 05:46 PM)

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#106676 - 03/31/06 09:59 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: ]
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Registered: 11/15/05
Loc: Corona, California
I have a problem with motivation. But it has to do more so with writing. I have had a solid writers block for about two weeks now. Any suggestions to help a struggling writer with his problem? I need to Finish a cadence for next year and so far i have a good start. And then you can tell where I get the Block. If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears.

Thanks.
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#106677 - 04/02/06 10:07 AM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: Dragon150043]
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my best advice would be to go and listen to other groups ... see what they are playing, see what sounds cool and try to get something from that. other than that the only other thing i can think of is to just wait ... stuff will come to you

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#106678 - 04/02/06 02:31 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: ]
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Registered: 11/15/05
Loc: Corona, California
Yeah. Thats what people keep telling me. But after 2 months i have lost all ideas. I guess its more-so a waiting game now. Untill i find that one thing that helps me out.

This sucks. I need to get over this!!

P.S. Thanks.
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#106679 - 04/04/06 05:47 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: ]
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Registered: 09/17/02
Loc: Slidell, Louisiana
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we've had speeches like that. so i'm not sure if it will work, because what people, alumni, staff, people in the line, have said before hasn't really gotten into their heads.

it seems to me as if they just dont care if we have a good season and then when we dont have a good season they complain. thats whats mostly getting to me and a ton of other people. i dont quite know how to motivate them, well mostly my section to want to have a great end to the season.




I don't know what to suggest if speeches from well respected people like alumni and such haven't gotten to them.
Maybe you can set it up so that an alumni who has really good standing in the drumline community can judge a mock competition in which he critiques the line EXACTLY like if it were an actual competition. This works two ways: You know exactly what you need to work on, and members are knocked off of the perfection post.

Or, show them videos of great lines, preferrably ones that won World in the last couple of years. That always worked to motivate my guys in high school.

Their problem is they are riding this high where everything went right. But everything can go sour just as quickly. So, tell them that. Say, "I know we did great last year. But remember how hard we worked to get to the point where we are now? And lets not settle. Why settle for mediocre when we can be great?"

If that doesn't motivate them, the only other thing that will will be failure.
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#106680 - 04/04/06 10:29 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: Praetorian]
Divalish Global Moderator Online   content


Registered: 04/16/03
Loc: WV
Find the least motivated, whiniest person in the line. Ask them why they're there, and what their goals were for the season. Did they reach them? Why or why not? Is there anything that they, as an individual, could do better? Anything they could do to help reach their goals so that all of the time and effort that everyone put in won't go to waste?

Motivation doesn't come from someone preaching to them. It comes from the individual. Otherwise, it will always be someone else's problem. Each individual in the line needs to take responsibility and make the decision to make the rest of your season go well. And the first step to that is for everyone to start changing what THEY have been doing wrong instead of complaining about the staff, student leaders, etc. It's all about accountability. It's a cliche, but it's true - if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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#106681 - 04/07/06 01:39 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: Divalish]
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Registered: 05/30/03
You go Patty! Give the least motivated person responsibility for making others better. Put the pressure on that person.
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#106682 - 04/13/06 03:41 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: cymbalman]
Anonymous
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Okay thanks guys....

our Instructor finially said something about motivation ... and he told us all to make goals for what we want after we walk off the floor in Dayton, i think that is what we really needed.

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#106683 - 04/13/06 04:43 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: ]
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Registered: 05/30/03
Good Luck in Dayton!
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#106684 - 04/13/06 05:17 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: cymbalman]
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Registered: 12/11/05
Loc: Texas
I agree good luck!
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#106685 - 04/13/06 09:36 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: MhsSenior]
Anonymous
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Thanks!!!! good luck to you too if you are going to dayton or what not.

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#106686 - 04/14/06 08:53 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: ]
Anonymous
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first off... i had the same problem with my line last year. i was only a sophomore... but the actual section leader was a senior. i took him aside and told him i could help and that i had ideas... just talk to him first off.

second... when practicing your music... think of what you actually did or how you thought of it to get it right... and use that in teaching the rest of people.

another thing is occasionally i like to bring like some blue devils dvds to school and watch it with them... or tell them to go to vicfirth.com... good stuff

okay well i hope that helped... keep asking questions there's some really nice people on this site

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#106687 - 04/16/06 02:04 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: cymbalman]
Anonymous
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Our drumline has motivaton but i think a little to much of it and i think going to world this week being over confident isnt such a good idea what do you think

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#106688 - 04/16/06 03:16 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: ]
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being confident is always good to a certain extent. as long as they aren't cocky or mean to other lines you should be okay. but as far as confidence goes, you never want to go into a competition thinking you're going to loose, because you will loose if you think that way.

bottom line is... its good to be confident, not cocky
happy drumming

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#106689 - 04/16/06 05:52 PM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: ]
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I have to agree with being confident is somewhat of a good thing. you have to be confident that you are going to have a good show. even if it isnt happening

but if you are over confident, that can almost be as bad as not being confident at all.

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#106690 - 05/06/06 11:43 AM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: ]
Maverick_Snare Offline


Registered: 05/17/05
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
To expand on the good/great line idea:
One of the things my Choir Director (the best) does to motivate us is to sort of warn us of overconfidence. He lets us know that we've done a great job, then informs us that we're in danger of thinking we've got it, and relaxing too much. That's when performance flops; you don't want to peak too early.
Let them know that they're in danger of losing whatever it is that made them great, keep them on their toes, and always raise the bar, ever so slightly; low enough to reach for, yet high enough to demand some effort. After all, success is a journey, not destination, right?
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#106691 - 05/18/06 12:48 AM Re: Motivation or lack there of... [Re: cymbalman]
Anonymous
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You go Patty! Give the least motivated person responsibility for making others better. Put the pressure on that person.




The old saying goes: "the chain is only as strong as it's weakest link".

I had the same problems with my line this past year. My high school doesn't have a too up-there type of percussion program. Our instructor is from UNT. He marched with Lalo Davila and John Wooton. He knows Lalo and John both personally, as well as many other big names in music. The problem is that nobody ever steps up. Our drumline consists of 5 snares, 4 basses, and 2 cymbals; we had nobody to march tenors this year. Our snare line is made up of 2 juniors - myself being one, the section leader - and 3 freshman. The bass line is 2 juniors and 2 seniors. The bass line likes to slack on their music a pretty good deal and just settles for making stuff up. Our snare line sounds like popcorn cooking in the microwave. The guys can't play tapdrags. It was sad to see the other junior in our snare line harp at the freshman for not knowing their music, when a freshman beat him in knowing music as well as playing. I'm pretty run out of ideas on how to get these guys to care about what they do, but I'll definately give that line of Patty's a shot.

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