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#115670 - 07/16/06 02:28 AM Marching Cymbals - help
Anonymous Unregistered	Hey! I'm going to be marching cymbals this year & I've never done that before. (Our HS line was really small. We we're lucky when we didn't have to borrow players from the horn line - so no cymbals for us.) I need to know anything & everything you all can tell me. Thanx! ~Kerri Breckinridge Co. HS Section Leader '02 - '05 Snare '02 - '05 Campbellsville Univ. Cymbals '06
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#115671 - 07/16/06 02:42 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	ummm hit them together? lol i dunno cymbals aren't that hard to play, just read the music and hit them.
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#115672 - 07/16/06 08:04 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: ]
drumcorpbc Registered: 05/12/03 Loc: St. Louis, MO	Quote: ummm hit them together? lol i dunno cymbals aren't that hard to play, just read the music and hit them. WOW!!! That may be the most un-educated answer I have ever heard. How do you play snare...I don't know, you just hit the drum. Just read the music and hit the drum. Cymbals are just as hard to play as any other battery instrument. Honestly, there is a lot that goes into cymbal playing to produce a good sound. Of course there are also multiple sound effects you can create as well. Off the top of my head, I can think of two excellent sources for you. One is a book by Eddie Capps that you can find at www.cymbaltechnique101.com and the other is a video by our own Jeff Kozol that can be found at www.americandrum.com. If you have access to someone that has field cymbal experience, enlist their help also. _________________________ Bill Castillo OAS AAS LLS!!!
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#115673 - 07/16/06 11:30 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: drumcorpbc]
cymbalman Registered: 05/30/03	Kerri, Are you going to have an instructor to teach you technique? The main thing is to keep the cymbals slightly off from each other and then hit the bottom and then the top in a flam motion. That will get you a good crash sound, but you have to do the movements right in order to get it to sound good. Most importantly, however many cymbal players you have, you'll want to make sure they look and sound the same. There is so much to tell you, but check out my video: http://jeffkozol.com/_wsn/page4.html Good luck! Jeff Kozol Edited by kevin_fu (07/17/06 03:28 AM) _________________________ Thanks, Jeff Kozol Author of Advanced Hand Cymbal Technique for Marching Percussion. www.jeffkozol.com
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#115674 - 07/17/06 12:32 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	thanks. i really appreciate your help.
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#115675 - 07/17/06 07:19 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: drumcorpbc]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: WOW!!! That may be the most un-educated answer I have ever heard. yeah I was about to say something along that line. Cymbal technique takes a while to be comfortable at, I would know because I was the token cymbal player in concert band; I was the only one who could get a great sound out of them. And playing cymbals will get you some gunz.
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#115676 - 07/17/06 08:23 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: ]
Quads_n_Stuff_09 blanks Registered: 04/01/06	"And playing cymbals will get you some gunz." That and you can look freaking scary see Vanguard cymbal line. ALso, if you play with proper technique you get mad bruises. I love it _________________________ Live like your not going to be alive tomorrow.
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#115677 - 07/17/06 08:53 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: Quads_n_Stuff_09]
Cadet311 Registered: 09/12/04 Loc: North NJ	You know there IS a cymbal forum, right? I bet if you read, you woulda found that one out! Anyways, I'm moving this discussion there, seeing as it fits the topic, ya know? Welcome to DLO and we hope you enjoy your tenure here. To ensure you have a great stay, please chiggidy-check yourself (and the rules) before you riggidy-wreck yourself. Have a good day! -Cadet311 _________________________ I teach some lines - ask me Bridgemen Quads 07, Snare 08 http://www.tgcmusic.net - MY Website - CZPercussion
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#115678 - 07/17/06 03:49 PM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: Cadet311]
cymbalman Registered: 05/30/03	By the way, if you use proper technique, you should have NO bruises. _________________________ Thanks, Jeff Kozol Author of Advanced Hand Cymbal Technique for Marching Percussion. www.jeffkozol.com
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#115679 - 07/17/06 04:16 PM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: cymbalman]
Cadet311 Registered: 09/12/04 Loc: North NJ	Unless you're doing some wacky crazy visual where you spin the cymbals on your arm. That might leave bruises. _________________________ I teach some lines - ask me Bridgemen Quads 07, Snare 08 http://www.tgcmusic.net - MY Website - CZPercussion
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#115680 - 07/18/06 12:48 PM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: Cadet311]
paradawhat Registered: 09/21/05	i marched cymbals last year i didnt get bruises on my arm but i did slice my stomach open switching down to chick position and doing chez-ups. _________________________ Castle Snare line
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#115681 - 12/28/06 12:12 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: paradawhat]
vanguard10or Registered: 07/26/04 Loc: Chesterland, Ohio	hey whats the difference besides looks, between straight, vertical carshes and orchestral crashes?? any sound differences ??
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#115682 - 12/28/06 01:53 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: vanguard10or]
Font Registered: 12/27/04 Loc: Miami, Fl	I believe so, but it also involves a visual standpoint. Orchestrial crashes sound bigger because they "look" bigger to the eye. They are big, wide, over-the-eyes crashes that just express sound at the audience. I don't know what you mean by straight or vertical, but I'll mention the power crash (vanguard style) Power crashes, atleast to me, sound more like impact sounds. They're powerful, and essentially you're smashing the cymbals together with a lot of force.
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#115683 - 12/28/06 07:50 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: Cadet311]
snarepaint Registered: 06/13/03	Quote: Unless you're doing some wacky crazy visual where you spin the cymbals on your arm. That might leave bruises. Agreed. The best solution for this would be to leave such advanced skills to trained professionals. You know, like the people that did the drumline movie. Seriously though, I'm with Jeff- proper technique should leave little or no battle damage. Everyone is going to slip or miss now and then, but that happens with any percussion instrument. I've busted a knuckle or two on spocks and bass rims, taken a few welts from cymbals and even watched an unfortunate soul suffer at the hands of a poorly made whipcrack in a wind ensemble once (talk about blood everywhere!). _________________________ DCI, DCA, WGI, done it all in some form.
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#115684 - 12/28/06 10:59 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: snarepaint]
Cadet311 Registered: 09/12/04 Loc: North NJ	Quote: Agreed. You know, like the people that did the drumline movie. Excuse me, Mr., but I did visuals like that when I was in HS! A full four years before Drumline! A thank you very much. But, yeah, if you're doing it right, you won't be in a world of hurt. _________________________ I teach some lines - ask me Bridgemen Quads 07, Snare 08 http://www.tgcmusic.net - MY Website - CZPercussion
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#115685 - 12/28/06 11:53 AM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: snarepaint]
Font Registered: 12/27/04 Loc: Miami, Fl	Quote: Quote: Unless you're doing some wacky crazy visual where you spin the cymbals on your arm. That might leave bruises. Agreed. The best solution for this would be to leave such advanced skills to trained professionals. You know, like the people that did the drumline movie. Seriously though, I'm with Jeff- proper technique should leave little or no battle damage. Everyone is going to slip or miss now and then, but that happens with any percussion instrument. I've busted a knuckle or two on spocks and bass rims, taken a few welts from cymbals and even watched an unfortunate soul suffer at the hands of a poorly made whipcrack in a wind ensemble once (talk about blood everywhere!). Speaking of, I had my left ringer finger smashed half way through thanks to a cymbal. Not mine. The kids next to me. He flared out on a flip-down, and the cymbal went THROUGH my nail and got about half way through my actual finger. You wanna see blood everywhere? I'll find a picture of my cymbal just after it happened. Like thick red spider webs. Note: This was a WEEK before the Ohio/WGI prelims trip. Yeah. Imagine how that felt to perform without a finger brace. I was dying.
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#115686 - 12/28/06 01:38 PM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: Cadet311]
snarepaint Registered: 06/13/03	Quote: ...Excuse me, Mr., but I did visuals like that when I was in HS! A full four years before Drumline! A thank you very much... Are you still going to therapy for it? Haha. Hey Font- You took a big chance by marching with your finger like that, did it ever heal properly? A lot of people that try to tough out injuries make them worse. _________________________ DCI, DCA, WGI, done it all in some form.
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#115687 - 12/28/06 02:34 PM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: snarepaint]
Cadet311 Registered: 09/12/04 Loc: North NJ	I'll handle this for Toe... "Well it sure didn't make him any better..." And yes, I recovered very nicely. _________________________ I teach some lines - ask me Bridgemen Quads 07, Snare 08 http://www.tgcmusic.net - MY Website - CZPercussion
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#115688 - 12/28/06 02:59 PM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: Cadet311]
Font Registered: 12/27/04 Loc: Miami, Fl	I thought I heard bees . . . And, it healed properly. There's a nice little white line under my nail where the cymbal impacted. when it first happened, it bled for six straight days. After a month and a half (in fact, at a Kiwanis camp after showering), the front of my nail finally came off. I faced infection throughout at the time almost daily. After it all grew back, there was a section of nail that wouldn't stick the skin, but finally it's totally healed and normal looking.
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#115689 - 02/12/07 07:33 PM Re: Marching Cymbals - help [Re: Cadet311]
Anonymous Unregistered	yea..no bruises for regular playing stuff when i 1st started out my entire bisept and inner elbow was bruised badly and i had like a snake eye on my left arm (that still hasnt gone away) but now no bruises =) you get bruises is by choaking the wrong way when it comes to visuals...thats dif.if it calls for it... bruise on! Edited by gummi_cyms (02/12/07 07:46 PM)
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