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#31887 - 01/02/04 01:32 AM
Molding the minds of little ones...
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Registered: 11/08/03
Loc: Land of the hilljacks, SW Penn...
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I've been kicking around this idea about starting a little program where current drumline members go down to the elementary school after school and tutor the 5th and 6th graders in the ways of drumming. You know, show them a few tricks, rudiments, DCI videos...Of course, the BD down there teaches them in band lessons, but what's the harm in a little 'positive reinforcement'? We wouldn't be teaching FOR the elementary BD, just building on what he's teaching them and getting to some stuff more advanced than that. If you think about it, these could be future drumline/pit members. Heh heh, I didn't even know what a drumline or pit was for a while there. And half the percussionists quit, getting bored with concert percussion and not wanting to become 'bandf@gs'. I figure, if we show them how cool it could be at a young age, there's more chance of them joining drumline/pit in their future years. And we'd be training them with some more advanced stuff than what they're learning with the elementary BD, so they'd be more prepared for marching should they choose to join. I'm not saying we should recruit earlier, just train a bit, spark their interest and build their chops. Hmm, if I build on this, possibly thaw a few little ones, then by my senior year we'd have a pretty hot line. Help out future generations, improve the skills of little ones, learn a bit about teaching, save band directors some aggrivation, hmm, what else could be accomplished with this... So, it's like Big Brother, only with sticks, mallets, and DCI videos. Anyone heard of something like this? Any faults in this plot? You like? You don't like?
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#31889 - 01/02/04 02:22 AM
Re: Molding the minds of little ones...
[Re: UTM3rdBass]
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Registered: 06/04/03
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me and my buddy had been doing that for a while, and here are the problems i found with it.
1. timing. their day used to end later than ours, so it was fine, now it ends at the same time so it won't work.
2. follow-through. it kind of makes 7th grade boring and sucky if they have all this awesomeness during 5th and 6th grade, then absolutely nothing for the next 2 years. might actually make more people quit... not sure though, because i haven't been doing it long enough for them to go through the cycle.
3. its great for you to help out the school system, but make sure these kids realize that YOU specifically won't be there when they get there. little kids look up to big high-schoolers, so it may be better to do something with 7th or 8th graders, as theyre not as far away age-wise.
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#31891 - 01/02/04 03:20 PM
Re: Molding the minds of little ones...
[Re: UTM3rdBass]
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Registered: 11/08/03
Loc: Land of the hilljacks, SW Penn...
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chsgirl2 said:
Now would you have enough time to do this after school everyday and would the parents have a say in that. When you think about it the kids go home usually at three in the afternoon by the bus. It would be an extra hassle for the parents to get off work and pick them up.
Of course, the parents would have a say in the whole deal. We'd need their permission and we'd ask around to find a day where most people can show up. It would be treated like another after-school activity, such as soccer or whatever.
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marimbaman said:
1. timing...
2. follow-through. it kind of makes 7th grade boring and sucky if they have all this awesomeness during 5th and 6th grade, then absolutely nothing for the next 2 years...
3. ...make sure these kids realize that YOU specifically won't be there when they get there. little kids look up to big high-schoolers...
1. Our schools end at different times, and again we'd try to find a day most convenient.
2. Drumhead4670 may know about this one.  He was/is our most advanced drummer in 7th and 8th grade from taking lessons in 5th and 6th privately, and he spends his time during concert band sitting down and practicing on his leg. The other, less experienced (and yet, more arrogant  ) percussionists spend the whole time goofing off.  Now, if we have a whole fleet of advanced and humbled ones, I'd hope they'd be sitting around practicing between songs rather than raising hell in the back of the bandroom.
3. Good suggestion. Big highschooler?  Heh heh, I'm in 8th grade, but I see your point.
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tigerdrummerchick04 said:
We used to have a summer program where the jr. highers or whatever would come to the band room ... It was nice. I even went a few times when I was in jr. high, but (it) sucked so I stopped going.
Okay, what exactly sucked about it, so we could avoid this suckiness should we choose to start the program? 
Thanks for the suggestions. You guys rock.  
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#31892 - 01/02/04 04:47 PM
Re: Molding the minds of little ones...
[Re: Boom_OwwThatHurt]
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Registered: 11/04/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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Boom_OwwThatHurt said:
2. Drumhead4670 may know about this one. He was/is our most advanced drummer in 7th and 8th grade from taking lessons in 5th and 6th privately, and he spends his time during concert band sitting down and practicing on his leg. The other, less experienced (and yet, more arrogant ) percussionists spend the whole time goofing off.
Well, I thought it was awesome. In our concert band, there are actually a couple difficult parts, and when nobody else can hack 'em, I get 'em. I think it actually makes it a lot more fun. Exspecially in jazz band. I'm the only one who actually knows how the play set in my grade, so I get in jazz band. And for the concert band pieces that were boring, I just kinda went through 'em, but I had the most fun practicing at home. Hopefully, Clair and I can get these kids to actually go home and practice, something that our arrogant concert band percussionists don't know the meaning of. But since you can join marching band in 8th grade in our school, its real fun when you get up there, where the music isn't easy, so they won't have to wait another year.
P.S. I took lessons through 7 grade and part of 8th too, until Jim stopped, and now I am taking lessons from the percussion instructor, Clair.
P.S.S. Sorry if I sound cocky or anything, but I'm just trying to help Clair out here...
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#31893 - 01/02/04 08:04 PM
Re: Molding the minds of little ones...
[Re: drumhead4670]
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Registered: 03/29/03
Loc: Wisconsin
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It sounds like a really good idea. Get the kids interested earlier to help build a very solid line later on. In a perfect world, everyone would benefit, your bd would be happy with a great drumline, the kids would be happy because they are learning and not bored, life would be good. But in reality, the main cause of concern would be what everyone else commented on. If you advance these kids now, they are going to be bored out of their mind come 7th and 8th grade band. And it is going to be hard to find a drummer in middle school, heck, even high shcool that is disciplined enough and self motivated enough to sit quietly and practice on their legs while the rest of the band is playing music way beneath them. That could lead to a lot of discipline problems and hair pulling for the band director. Is this something that is going to be continued on throughout middle school or are you going to be stopping after 5th or 6th grade? Not trying to bring you down because it really is a good idea, trying to help the program. For the drummers that are disciplined, it would be great! I would've loved it!
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#31895 - 01/02/04 09:12 PM
Re: Molding the minds of little ones...
[Re: drummergirl]
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Registered: 11/08/03
Loc: Land of the hilljacks, SW Penn...
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drumhead4670 said:
Sorry if I sound cocky or anything, but I'm just trying to help Clair out here...
drumhead, that helps me out, how? Well I suppose you were trying to get a point across that they'd still get some challenging parts even with training.
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drummergirl said:
...they are going to be bored out of their mind come 7th and 8th grade band. And it is going to be hard to find a drummer in middle school, heck, even high school that is disciplined enough and self motivated enough to sit quietly and practice on their legs while the rest of the band is playing music way beneath them. That could lead to a lot of discipline problems and hair pulling for the band director. Is this something that is going to be continued on throughout middle school or are you going to be stopping after 5th or 6th grade?
Thanks for the reality check, I appreciate it. Well, with the disipline problem, I guess it's a concert percussion thing like that. Our concert percussionists are far from advanced, they don't know what a flam is or how to do a roll. (sad.) ...And yet, they think they rock. Arrogant little Monkey Mans, they are. So, either they aren't all that good and cause the BD to pull his hair out, or they are pretty decent for their age and make the BD pull his hair out. No matter what, you're more than likely to have a BD who goes home after the day a little balder.
Perhaps it would be better to do this 6th and 7th grade if we were to follow through, as they learn the bulk of things in 5th grade. That'd be kool if this were an ongoing thing where we teach the kids who, 4 years from now, will teach kids who, 4 years from then, would...yeah I think you get it.
Drumweasel, I never said that you had to volunteer nor that everyone was actually going to follow through with this. 'Twas an idea; calm yourself, Tonto. Yes, the numbers of percussionists diminish with time, hey we had a 7 person drumline. I'm just kicking this idea around, hoping that if it works, we'd have a beefier line by the time I'm your age. But what would I know, I'm just a dumb little 8th grader with many ideas and not enough experience.
Edited by Boom_OwwThatHurt (01/02/04 09:56 PM)
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#31896 - 01/02/04 09:21 PM
Re: Molding the minds of little ones...
[Re: Boom_OwwThatHurt]
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Registered: 12/28/03
Loc: Toledo, OH
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I think the whole idea of getting kids interesed in being in Drumline before thier time is great idea. In my school we have a good sized marching band of 200. But we could have had a lot more if the people who quit knew what marching band had to offer. I am freshman, so this is my first year in a drumline, but I knew from my brother which graduated a year before me how cool it was to be in marching band. I think it is a really good idea to have like a camp or something for like Jr. High kids in the summer about being in the the drumline. I mean from my school only two other percussionists stayed until Marching Band season. And that is really, really low. And it will probably be less this year. The earlier we can get to them the more we will have to work with later. 
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#31897 - 01/03/04 01:40 AM
Re: Molding the minds of little ones...
[Re: BuddhaOfDrumming]
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Registered: 11/11/03
Loc: PA
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well damn... you asked for any faults/ and or what we all feel about your OH SO GREAT IDEA, so we're just telling you. no need to call me "tonto", i'm not the one running around with a plan every 5 seconds to recrute 12 year olds that can't even hold a stick yet. yeah, real good idea. show them DCI video's. that will make em' wanna join. show them the best of the best, and then tell them that not many people make it that far. real encouraging. you know.. one thing, and i'm sure that most older people on this site have known as well. If something works, don't fix it. in other words, the recruiting process was fine untill someone (aka frankie) didn't do his job of getting new people last year. word of mouth. remenber, there are a few meetings and a concert for the jr. high, and you get to talk with the high school kids that are/ will be IN THE LINE when they join for the following season. a little kid in 6th grade isn't going to know if he wants to join marching band in 2 years at that time. hell, they don't even know what marching band is, let alone a drumline, technique, or anything like that. and one more thing... notice how in the junior high there is ONE percussion player who practices, and ther rest are "arrogant"... and notice that you and that one other person are the only 2 that are in the drumline. doesn't that tell you something... they are in band to be jackoff's and not to learn...
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#31898 - 01/03/04 01:57 AM
Re: Molding the minds of little ones...
[Re: drumweasel]
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Registered: 09/17/02
Loc: Slidell, Louisiana
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 Sorry, I meant to put "I sucked so I stopped going" sorry!
I think it is a great idea. I remeber my jr high BD sucked and never taught us anything. If we did it wrong, he said, "You're doing it wrong."... that's it. He wouldn't show us the right way. I wished I had gotten serious about drums alot a lot earlier than I did. Light a fire under them.
Weasel, stop being such a jerk.
And if people do quit because of seeing someone play, well, you don't want them on your line anyway. I taught my cousin and his buddy how to play drums since they were in the 5th grade and they wail b/c of it. If they hadn't had that time, they might not be as good. Most jr highers don't know how to practice. When I was in jr high, reading through my music was practice to me. 8 on a hand, what the heck was that? I works, it really does. Go for it Boom. Don't let anything discourage you. I used to offer free lessons at my old jr high. Not one person called. FREE LESSONS. They can suck then.
Edited by tigerdrummerchick04 (01/03/04 02:08 AM)
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#31900 - 01/08/04 03:48 PM
Re: Molding the minds of little ones...
[Re: drummergirl]
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Registered: 09/05/00
Loc: Tullahoma, TN
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Ok, I just read this whole thing and have a few things to say. There is absolutely nothing wrong with ideas. If the world didnt have ideas then I wouldnt be typing on the keyboard of my laptop and watching the 2003 DCI DVD's right now....so keep having your ideas. The trick is to either be organized yourself to implement them or find someone else (maybe a little bit older in your case) to get the ball rolling. There seems to be 3 people in this discussion from the same school/drumline. Instead of going back and forth about this over a computer screen, why dont you do it in person. That would make things so much quicker. Drumweasel, you seem to have some bitter feelings for one reason or another. Don't take them out on your younger members because you arent happy with the way your final years of high school drumline are working out. Maybe, just maybe, if you and some of the other older members of the line showed the middle schoolers what was fun about being a percussionist, they wouldnt be in band to slack off. Finally, the numbers that were thrown out about the size of the elemetary, junior high, and high school bands are completely irrelevant because something like this has never been done in your school system before....so you never know if something is going to work if you dont try it. It might fail, it might succeed, but if you never try it...then your just left wondering what could have been.
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#31902 - 01/28/04 11:39 PM
Re: Molding the minds of little ones...
[Re: QuintGASMAN]
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Registered: 10/20/03
Loc: Canandaigua, NY
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Our school does this every year, at both elementary schools. We bring our field band down, we bring our concert band down, we even bring our jazz band down. The kids love it! I recommend that you do it. Kids love to hear the instruments, and if you did it with the drumline, they'd love it even more. We played at Funtasia in Gorham, and those kids loved us! I definitely recommend it.
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