I have a few questions. First of all: Ya know how Jeff Queen has amazing chops and can play all kinds of crazy hybrid rudiments as can many other Corps style snare drummers? Well, I was wondering if any Show style snare drummers use cheeses and hybrids and stuff and I was also wondering if there are any show style snare drummers that have crazy chops like Jeff Queen or someone like that.

We played a local showband at last nights football game. They were really cranking. It was rudimental blended very well with show-style.

Who's the guy who played for Nick Cannon in the the movie? Seemed to me like he had some pretty good chops.

I've seen some show lines play what seems like a nonstop singles pattern for literally like 10 straight minutes while the dance team does their thing. That takes quite a bit of chops if you ask me.

Last night we had a show style band at our game and they were ok. I think they don't have chops like jeff queen or somewhat, last night I notice that their snares are tune low somewhat like a concert snare so they can sound all the same and clean but if they really tune the snares up they won't sound that good and clean... the whole band doesn't sound good...thats just me

I'm sure there are some showband drummers with some chops. But showbands aren't really about chops. Its about the show (hence the name ). The audience isn't going to notice the snareline playing their inverted cheese patterns or their tasty cake ho-ho's. They will however notice stick flipping and body visuals and what have you. If the movie Drumline was about drumcorp, it would have done horribly. There's nothing in a drumcorp that can really keep someone who's not familiar with the activity entertained. They'd sit there and say, "Oh wow...they're playing drums. Are those guns that they're throwing in the air?" You know how people are. When they see hybrids, they don't know if its hard or not. But as soon as you throw a backstick in, they'll go nuts. That's what showbands are looking for.

mmmmmmm... ho ho's.....

The answer to your question is fish-pudding!
There are showstyle lines who do put in cheeses and many hybrids, but like kevin touched on, that is not indicative of a line with chops. Chops is the ability to play excessively and still maintain balance, control and precision all while playing with the rest of the line.

As for the question about any showstyle drummers as good as Jeff Queen. Are there ANY drummers out there as good as Jeff Queen

the answer to that question is yes their are some showband drummers who have chops like jeff queen (like hes god smh..... whatever)you must not have seen any of the collegiate lines .if you were to look at the lines in any well know percussion section or good one for that matter you would know that we all incorporate hybrids into our playing .i mean what true snare player wouldnt its how you get better .you guys make it seem like we are iliterate to the intire world of percussion .its sad and you call yourselves percussionist....yeah wat ever.

and to bootsinating you arer a fool to think that showbands are all about looking good stick flipping and booty shaking we actually care how we sound .. and for anyone else who thinks that we are just a booty band and your in the richmond area come hit me up so i can show you what the deal is .. you wouldnt last an hour in my line or on the field for that matter ..we are called show band because WE PUT ON A SHOW FOR EVERY ONE NOT JUST THE MUSICALLY INCLINED.
we take all walks of people not just those who are tremendous players and can dance if we did that we would make it seem like we were discriminating against people and and make it no fun .

and to the kid who said they tune their drum low to all sound alike and clean have you ever though that they were clean and if they they were clean on the broken eupiment they would also be even better on good equipment .

you gotta live on both sides of the road to explain the truth (and i dont mean what you think you know neither) .......
oh yah hopefully ill get the chance to post some clips of a hot section battle so you guys can stop acting like we are the underlife of the music world...

No one, and I repeat no one was talking down on showstyle in this thread. Lets not pick fights.

sorry guy but if...
But showbands aren't really about chops. Its about the show (hence the name ). or"I was wondering if any Show style snare drummers use cheeses and hybrids and stuff and I was also wondering if there are any show style snare drummers that have crazy chops " or this topic for that matter " i was just stating the facts from a real showband percussionist not saying what i think i knew .no harm intended.he asked i gave him the correct answer and a detailed one at that . and the answer is .....
yes there are some drummers in showstyle who have chops like jeff queen ... boooooooooo ralph hardimon all the way
if that aint a put down wat is