Orangecrush, you have a serious double standard going on here. In the thread you started, you are trying to get everyone to have a civil and informative discussion, but in this thread you are bashing everyone including Jeff Queen...oh, and no he isn't god, but in the rudimental snare drumming world...he's close.

Anyway, obviously some people on this forum have misconceptions about show-style bands and as long as they are not exposed to the style, it will continue to happen. I think it works both ways though...show-style people have misconceptions about corps-style. Let me point out a few. Apparently, corps-style groups only play music that appeals to a musically inclined audience. At least that is what you implied above. That is definitely not true. Show-style groups that I have seen (note that last phrase) tend to play more of the recent and popular music than corps-style groups. Is this wrong....of course not, just different. However, that doesn't mean the music corps-style groups do not play music that appeals to a general audience. I know plenty of non-musicians who enjoy DCI for example.

Finally, you have no idea if anyone (unless you have met them in person) could hang in your line, or do you have any idea if you could hang in a corps-style line. That is an impossible comparison to make and a statement that has no answer.

Nice touch Barry. I agree 100%. There are alot a lot of talented individuals marching and teaching on both sides of the community. I think that if a corps style staff got together with a show style staff that they could learn alot a lot from each other. In fact I would like to march in a show style band just for the experience that is different from the norm.
Orange crush:
Chill my man. Some of us are percussionist or aspiring percussionists others of us are just playing drums and having fun. Be cool my man. Most of us have not been exposed to Show style in an up close and personal way that most of us have been exposed to corps style. Please do not tryo to start any fights because honestly no one is going to cry themselves to sleep over anything on this forum(unless DLO goes down then I might cry a little). If you try to be angry here people will just turn off to any point you may have had. You also risk one of our many patient MODS closing the thread.

to left snare
i dont intend to hurt anyone's feeling but if i have i apologize .
i feel any one who calls himeself a true percussionist is able to appreciate any style of play without any type of bias. and to have them and call yourself a percussionist makes you a fool.and yes the show band world is much competitive along with cockiness.

drumholio
well yes i did bash jeff queen because to me he is great but not merley a god of snare or rudimental drumming for that matter . he is goood and ive seen numerous videos of him (not just on vicfirth.com either)i marveled at what i he dose with a pair of sticks but why would i marvle at someone that with a little practice and experience i can be like or even better ? it makes no since to me .

yes i beleive many people cant hang with my line because of the expectations i set for them . Right now i have a set of 5 new snare drummers im training for the up and coming game i give a 5 reg. rudiments and 3 hybrids a week they must learn to play in order to play in the game .they also have to learn the field manuevers ,all the music by heart and clean must we say clean i wont let them march if it aint clean.(dont care if i have dont have any snares)every note counts i tell them .and all this befor they can even think of dancing one beat or even see a visual . so when all this is acheived they have to be able to play CLEAN and dance along with adding visuals probably wont add those till the can dance and play clean.
(now note ive had guys from colleges say that i do what they do in college and more ) ima drill sergant to them i know its hard on my line .

i dont mean to sound angry but i do get quite peturbed when i read alot a lot of crap being said about how show bands this and show bands that . so shoot me if im wrong to have a weird way of saying things im different . and my ideas will be wats the new wave of band and music .

Showbands are there to get the crowd hype and dont give an hoot about rudiments and flippy cheese flapper doodle crap.

killa quints you have no idea what a real show band or show band percussion section sounds like ,and for you to say that our "ONLY" purpose is to entertain is dead wrong.we don't all want to look like total idiots when it comes to the real world of percussion as a whole .you say we don't care about rudiments ? what kind of drummer doesn't .i don't care what your style of play is if you don't care about the fundamentals of playing your instrument you are a total misfit in your section or any self respecting section for that matter and should be put to death .(that last part was a joke) .we showbands are large competitors that's one reason for our flashy look . we can entertain any of our crowds just by playing what they want to hear and not dance they wont care . one of our largest competitors believe it or not are corps they possess some things we don't have , so to stay in some kind of place we have to do what they do and more ...

not to say your a total loss cause but , you need to quickly learn about the show style bands and what we do ; and if your saying that you are in one you need to look into reconsidering what you say about yourself and how it looks to make all of us look bad .

so good day sir and hopefully you will soon be enlightened by my words because we are brothers in the style

You guys can't even agree on what a showband should be and you're both in one. How do you expect people who have little or no experience with showbands to figure out what a showband program's goals are when you can't even agree?

honestly i have no idea .......thats a good question .
but i will say this, he has many years to figure out what it is to be a real showband drummer or, a true percussionist for that matter . his words are from inexperience and maybe bad teaching. so, im just here to set the record staight for any and all who need help. not to pick a fight or anything but he is speaking from a younger point of view where someone in showband is not being educated well enough to know what the importants of alot a lot of things are .so in closing i think you should just close the thread and help him to realize what it means to be a true percussionist .
thanks for reading.
ps. killaquints you should really fill out that personal info in your bio it would really help to know where you come from or if ive heard of you so i can figure out what type of show band style you play .

Are you saying that MAM should close my post? I just wanted to learn about Show Style snare players. I have no idea about their warmups or exercises. For example, do you guys ever play snare Sprees or something like that? I was hoping for some kind of example of something you use hybrids in. Or when you solo, do you use all the crazy rudiments that are in the solos of Jeff Queen and other various Corps style soloists? I was just using Jeff Queen as an example. And I'm still confused as to why you don't see Jeff as the Chop Master that he is. I've seen him play in person, and it was just warmups and exercises and I was still just blown away by how much control and strength he has over the sticks.

well to answer your question yes .i did imply that the thread should be locked now if you where to ask again i would say yes .(its my opinion )
1. yes, like ive said on many ocassion yes we do actually use hybrids in our cadences . i've just written a cadence where in the first couple of lines there's a lick with a charlie muphy, triplestroke roll ,irish five , cheese chain a flam tap,and some swiss army triplets . in many good lines like norfolk state ,virginia state , prairie view A&M, albany state university.ect. and on the high school level the national champs brooklyn steppers , hugenot high school , highland springs high ,henrico high school ect.you will find this sort of thing as normal .and if you look at some southern lines ,that high sticking that they do as a visual is quite hard to do while playin some of these advanced rudiments and although it looks wild to see it takes alot a lot of endurance and strength to keep up .(chops that is)

2.well as for the jeff queen thing ive seen him play on alot a lot of tapes people have of him bbefor and after shows and yeah im impressed but to me he is another guy .(*stick flips, back sticking ,one hand rolls ,walk the dog ) now if jeff queen was the age of 19 and playing at the level he is now i would be overly impressed .hes been taught by some of the greats so why wouldn't he be that good .not mention that he has so much experince in what he dose . all i got to say is if you would have seen some of the things ive seen you would just see him as one of the crowd .(and ive seen some stuff just by watching alumni from different lines play ).

now if you are as enthusiastic as he was in his younger years and all you did was study and practice and stuck to it within two years you will understand that all it has to with is practice,practice,practice and what he is doing is easier than it looks . even he says that it takes practice so why not take his advice and be better than he is .then we will be having this convo.about you and not him .yeah hes great but hes not god . im not going to knock him for his skills but im not going to try to be in his shadow or cult following just so i can be another one of his flunkies(not saying you are). and by you idolizing one person you sometimes cloud your mind being that your soooooooo into what hes doing a not what your doing .i like himm for what he brings to the table and im not goin to say im better but im no tgoin to put him on a pedistal either .what abotu those guys who are better or just like him we dont see anyone else put out there like that .or maybe your not looking.

so if you still want to say something say it i wont answer.
but if you wanna talk im me or something .